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This title in particular has been the subject of a good deal of controversy on Elsewhere (among other sites), message boards, and email lists across the web. No one seems to talk about much aside from the "Grain Issue." Since the grain (or overabundance thereof) is the obvious elephant in the room, I'm going to address it before getting on to the additional content on display here, of which there is much to see and thoroughly enjoy. (continued)

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Cusack vs. Douglas

John Cusack has been in 50 films so far, and out of these, he tells the Guardian's Ryan Gilbey, ten have been "good." I would say it's more like twelve -- The Sure Thing, Eight Men Out, Say Anything, The Grifters, Bullets Over Broadway, Grosse Pointe Blank, Con Air, The Thin Red Line, Being John Malkovich, High Fidelity, 1408 and Grace is Gone. (I haven't seen Martian Child, but isn't that supposed to be reasonably decent as well? Maybe not.)


John Cusack, Kirk Douglas

On top of which Max, Identity and Pushing Tin weren't half bad also, and Cusack had a tiny part in Broadcast News also. So let's make it 15 or 16. To be genuinely or somewhat proud with slightly less than a third of the films you've made over the last 24 years is, I think, a pretty good track record.

Put in perspective, this is a better percentage than Kirk Douglas managed to rack up over the course of his 89-film career.

Douglas said almost the exact same thing to me in a chat we had in '82 -- "I've made a lot of crap but I've made a pretty fair number of good ones also, and that ain't bad." By my count, Douglas made 17 films that are either good, very good or classic-level -- Out of the Past, A Letter to Three Wives, Champion, Young Man With a Horn, The Glass Menagerie, Ace in the Hole, Detective Story, The Big Sky, The Bad and the Beautiful, Lust for Life, Paths of Glory, The Vikings (love that film!), The Devil's Disciple, Spartacus, Two Weeks in Another Town, Lonely Are The Brave and Seven Days in May. And they were made over a 17 year run ('47 to '64).

Cusack started earlier (he was 16 or 17 when he made Class) while Douglas's career didn't really get going until he was pushing 30, but Cusack is nonetheless batting about .300 while Douglas's lifetime average is less than .200.

Until fifteen minutes ago I had never once analogized Cusack and Douglas. I don't think anyone else has either, and I doubt if anyone ever will again. But they've both tried very hard (when at all possible) to be in films of quality, and they've done better than most in this respect.

Posted by Jeffrey Wells on September 1, 2007 at 5:40 AM

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jjgittes Author Profile Page says ...

There's a great movie somewhere in "City Hall" but it doesn't even quite get to the good movie category for me. A real missed opportunity on that one.

"Identity" is not "not half bad", it's quite bad.

Posted by jjgittes Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 6:44 AM

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renorambler Author Profile Page says ...

Cusack is an intensly likable actor but he is in that phase of his career that he needs to shift into more diverse roles in front of and behind the camera. He's well aware of this as you can see from some of his later work. Since he's not a typical leading man type of guy I'm glad he is exploring projects like Max (which I found to be quite good).

Posted by renorambler Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 6:48 AM

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Rob Author Profile Page says ...

Replace Con Air with Better Off Dead and you're onto something.

Posted by Rob Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 6:50 AM

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NDH Author Profile Page says ...

I always thought "The Journey of Natty Gann" was a terrific and grossly underrated picture, and Cusack does a great job in one of his very early roles. And of course there's "Stand By Me," but I guess that doesn't count as the man is only in it for a few seconds. Either way, this guy has had a solid career.

Posted by NDH Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 6:53 AM

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PerfectTommy Author Profile Page says ...

I've always loved Douglas' "The War Wagon"; probably because it is the first film I remember seeing in a theater. But I've gone back to it many times and still enjoy it. "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" is a clasic of its time and "The Strange Loves of Martha Ivers" and "In Harms Way" are also films of distinction.
And yet, I think in Cusacks short career he has made almost as many great films as Douglas. I'd put "Being John" and "Anything" at the top of the list, though "Gross Point" is really a kick.

Posted by PerfectTommy Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 6:53 AM

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MDOC Author Profile Page says ...

I'm a huge fan Better Off Dead and One Crazy Summer.

Posted by MDOC Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 7:02 AM

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alynch Author Profile Page says ...

I'd include "There Was A Crooked Man..." among Douglas's good films, but other than that, I agree with you.

Posted by alynch Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 7:07 AM

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erniesouchak Author Profile Page says ...

Come one, you can't put "Broadcast News" on the list -- he has a split-second walk-on and his back is to the camera! Geez.

I also think that more than a few of those movies have been good in spite of Cusack's presence, not because of it. "The Grifters" is certainly a case in point.

Posted by erniesouchak Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 7:10 AM

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vanhammersly Author Profile Page says ...

Con Air? Really? Love Cusack, but "Con Air" is a huge, ridiculous, steaming pile of dog turd. Cusack's best films (in order) are: Say Anything, High Fidelity, The Sure Thing, Grosse Pointe Blank, The Grifters, Eight Men Out, Being John Malkovich, Bullets Over Broadway, The Thin Red Line.

Posted by vanhammersly Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 7:47 AM

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alynch Author Profile Page says ...

Con Air is one of the best examples of goofy fun in recent years.

Posted by alynch Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 7:51 AM

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Mark B Author Profile Page says ...

I know he only had a small role in this one but I would add SIXTEEN CANDLES to the "good" (but not great) list as well. Any "great" list has to be limited to films of the caliber of SAY ANYTHING. He should've been Oscar nominated for that one.

Posted by Mark B Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 8:29 AM

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siamesecat Author Profile Page says ...

No list of Douglas greats would be complete without HOLOCAUST 2000. Well, *I* liked it anyway.

Posted by siamesecat Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 8:31 AM

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Filipe Author Profile Page says ...

So Wells, went to IMDb, saw the number 89 and forget to cut the TV shows episodes Douglas did. Actually if one cuts all the TV work Douglas did, one would be down to 74 films, which would made pretty close to the Wells Cusack count.

Posted by Filipe Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 9:51 AM

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The Movie Man Author Profile Page says ...

I thought The Ice Harvest was underrated and contained Cusack's best work in some time, for what that's worth. Interesting post.

Posted by The Movie Man Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 10:01 AM

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J. Huff Author Profile Page says ...

Sadly, Cusack doesn't appreciate his ability to make a joy some lighter-than-air romances (like Serendipity) and some amazingly funny comedies (his work with Savage Steve Holland). I've always loved his work and give him more credit than he gives himself. This article is fascinating, especially considering that Cusack radiates a bit of that Edward Norton "I really am smarter than you" vibe. (Love Norton's work too, but that's another story.) Cusack's intellect may make it impossible to admit that some of his work that paid the bills really is better because of him...but then again, perhaps it would be best not to stroke the potential for a raging ego.

Posted by J. Huff Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 10:02 AM

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Balthazar Author Profile Page says ...

I'm a big John Cusack fan. Say Anything will always be his signature film for me.

That said, I agree with most of the thoughts above.

I would never call Con-Air a great film, but it's probably in my Top 3 list of guilty pleasures. Just a fun film and that's OK sometimes, right?

Speaking of fun, I don't think my wife and I had a better experience in the theatre this summer than 1408, although I left with a severely bruised forearm. We were quite pleased with how totally off-guard the thrills and chills caught us.

Posted by Balthazar Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 10:07 AM

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George Prager Author Profile Page says ...

Strike HIGH FIDELITY. Add BETTER OFF DEAD.

Especially the horror movie version:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eipq4zAVRGI

Posted by George Prager Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 10:18 AM

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Larry Author Profile Page says ...

Forget batting average. Slugging percentage is what counts, and Kirk Douglas hit home runs, while most of Cusack's good films are singles or doubles.

And Eight Men Out, Say Anything, The Grifters, Grosse Pointe Blank, Con Air, The Thin Red Line and 1408 range from passable to bad. They're all overrated except Con Air--I wasn't aware anyone thought much of it.

Posted by Larry Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 10:51 AM

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The Movie Man Author Profile Page says ...

Let's go ahead and just say it: Cameron Crowe ages poorly. Say Anything, something I used to love, IS overrated. I'm not sure if Singles was liked to begin with, but if it was, it would also qualify as overrated, ditto Jerry Maguire. Vanilla Sky and Elizabthetown don't qualify because no one liked them to begin with.

I give the man Almost Famous, and he's talented, but he needs to drop the pie in the sky, awe of your true love connection crap and acknowledge just a hint of the real world if he wishes to get relevant again.

Posted by The Movie Man Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 11:18 AM

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Balthazar Author Profile Page says ...

Oh, I have to respectfully disagree on Crowe. His best films do NOT age poorly. ... Say Anything remains a terrific film. Great script and terrific acting (I also find myself wishing Mahoney could get a retroactive Supporting Actor nomination for his great work in that film). Jerry Maguire suffered a bit from pieces of the film being sucked into the pop culture and therefore being overexposed. But it's a great film, too, as is Almost Famous. ... Singles was never a great film, IMO, so I can't say it ages poorly. It is what it is.

Posted by Balthazar Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 12:03 PM

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The Winchester Author Profile Page says ...

After reading these posts, I truly feel Cusack should reteam with both Savage Steve Holland and Cameron Crowe.

Not on the same movie, obviously.

(Although that would be a very interesting movie).

I also have to second the opinion of The Ice Harvest as being underrated. But Platt steals that movie from everybody.

And Identity felt like "The 3" script from Adaptation come to life.

Posted by The Winchester Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 12:18 PM

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MiraJeffAICN Author Profile Page says ...

Ice Harvest was tedious and 14-8 was half of a good movie.

Posted by MiraJeffAICN Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 12:31 PM

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Lee Author Profile Page says ...

No one else thinks RUNAWAY JURY ranks with Cusack's good-not-great entertainments? Film's a bit mechanical, but has his likable, intelligent, earnest qualities displayed well.

Posted by Lee Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 1:12 PM

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The Movie Man Author Profile Page says ...

Balthazar: I may disagree about the movie, but I'm definitely with you on Mahoney in Say Anything, wonderful performance.

Posted by The Movie Man Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 2:33 PM

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jeffmcm Author Profile Page says ...

Runaway Jury has a good cast, but it's completely disposable, like all of Gary Fleder's hacktastic films.

Posted by jeffmcm Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 2:49 PM

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lipranzer Author Profile Page says ...

Sad to say, but EIGHT MEN OUT doesn't hold up for me either, and I say that as a die-hard John Sayles fan. Although Cusack was pretty good in it.

Of course, I have to disagree with Larry and The Movie Man over Say Anything; I think it's one of his best.

Also, Ernie, do you mean to say he's bad in THE GRIFTERS, or that he's overshadowed by the other two leads? Cause if it's the latter, you may have a point (certainly, it's one of Bening's best performances), but if it's the former, I disagree. As Peter Rainer pointed out, Cusack's is the only performance in the movie that isn't a take-off on a classic noir character, and it's his first "adult" leading role, which he handled quite nicely, I thought.

As for underrated movies, he doesn't have a big part in MAP OF THE HUMAN HEART, but that's an interesting (albeit not entirely successful). As for guilty pleasure movies, for me, you can forget CON AIR (junk, and I HATED his rationale for doing it), cause it's TAPEHEADS all the way. It's a silly movie, but it's fun silly, and he and Tim Robbins are clearly having a blast.

Posted by lipranzer Author Profile Page at September 1, 2007 9:16 PM

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